I believe that line uses Kaby Lake CPU's, so pretty much any DDR4-2400 2x8GB ought to work. These, for instance (just picked one with the lowest pcpartpicker price at the moment).
Or, if you need to dial back the bottom line by a little, a 1660 (non-Super) will still give you a pretty decent 1080p gaming experience, at the cost of either a few fps or lower graphics settings for the same fps. Still well into the smooth play range though.
Need a little more info: do you need monitor, keyboard, mouse? If you have a monitor what is its refresh rate and resolution? Do you need the windows license and/or peripherals included in the £800?
What will you be using the computer for? if gaming, what general sorts of games, and what are you looking for (high fps, high detail, best compromise, etc)?
Funny how that mobo looks tiny in that case. This should be a very nice running box.
It's a lot of computing power for a secondary system, nice.
That's up to. In real life you are unlikely to see any difference, and in fact the RAID 0 striping might be slower if it changes what the individual SSD's see from sequential to smaller semi-random reads and writes.
For SSD's, RAID 0 is mostly useful as a way to present multiple SSD's as a single drive, with load leveling across the SSD's.
One issue which may or may not matter to you is that the Dark Rock cooler will probably hide some of your RGB ram sticks. A couple possible alternatives would be one of the big Noctua's (the NH-U12A probably has the best cooling and RAM clearance combination, although it's pricey), or the Thermalright Le Grand Macho, or the Scythe Fuma 2.
Kind of amazing the power you can get out of a $800 build.
I'd pull and re-seat the memory, then run memory and CPU stress tests to see if you have a hardware issue.
If you can't get it to run at all, I'd suspect that either the motherboard or the PSU has died. The motherboard might be more likely but the PSU is easier to test if you can get your hands on a loaner PSU for an hour or so.
The simplest way forward might be a USB wifi adapter, since you aren't looking to use it as your main network connection. This one for instance. I don't think there's a way to filter for bluetooth in pcpartpicker, so you might be better off at a retailer site such as newegg if you want to look for more choices.
If your other tasks such as video and photo editing / rendering are serious and time sensitive (pro, semi-pro) then I'd probably favor the 3950X. If gaming is the main thing and the other stuff is sidelines, the 9900K non-S is probably the best answer. A 9900KS at its current ridiculous price is IMO only worth it for competition gamers where fps means money. For the price of a 9900KS you could probably buy 4 or 5 9900K's, pick the fastest, sell off the losers, and still come out ahead.
If he's running short of memory, having enough memory will have much more impact than a relatively small de-rating in timings. What is he planning to get now? If he's going from 1600 MT/s to 2400 MT/s, that would be a speed increase even at CAS 11. That's assuming that the CPU and motherboard will run at that speed, which might be a matter of luck.
Ah right. So not a bad deal really. As long as your case isn't an airflow restricted hotbox I think it would work reasonably well. Maybe not the ideal combination but pretty decent and good value.
Hmmm. Yes and no. Yes, it will be sufficient and is a pretty decent cooler. No, you won't be able to get all of the performance out of the CPU as you'll lose 100 or 200 MHz from the top end since the cooler won't be able to react fast enough.
If you care more about the 16 cores than getting every clock tick, the MA410m will do the job. If you are counting on maximum single core speed as well, I recommend a bigger cooler.
Well IMO you would be wrong. :-) I've been running a Mugen 5 on a 2700X (which runs hotter than a 3700X) for well over a year and it's a great cooler; excellent value and very quiet even in the stock version.
For OP's usage, for a bit more money, the Mugen 5 PCGH edition runs a pair of RPM-limited fans; you get most of the cooling power of a Mugen 5 at essentially inaudible noise levels.
They are just spring-clipped on, so yes it ought to be possible to replace the fans. However, Noctua fans are at or near the top of the line, so it's hard to suggest a substantially better substitute.
For a 3900X I think I'd be thinking in terms of an X570 just for the power delivery. Or X470 but it's hard to make an argument for X470 when the X570 will have better BIOS support and PCIe 4.0 even if you don't plan on making use of it.
Since you aren't buying now, there's little point in trying to be specific as things may well change by summer.
Motherboards don't bottleneck GPU's, as a general rule. But if you're asking whether that is an OK bundle, I would say yes OK but maybe not great. The 3800X generally wants quite a bit more power than the 3700X and the Aorus Elite is OK, but not excellent, in the power delivery arena. It will work, for sure, but you might not be getting all you can get out of the 3800X.
So whether it's a good deal or not really depends on the pricing, which you haven't mentioned.
That's weird. Are you sure you don't have a bent pin on the CPU?
I would imagine it's all about the clocks. Keep in mind however that 1 clock tick at 2400 MT/s (1200 MHz) is only 0.8 nanoseconds, not a real big deal.
My figures include tax but that's a quibble. Yes, I expect that the OP will end up having to stretch a bit and go with some 1060's, or maybe the oddball 1050 Ti that allan_m_systems mentioned (which is hardly a new card, either).
Hello? Four monitors?
Simply answering the request. RX570 new takes him over budget, although I'll agree not by much. If there's a 4-output GT1030 I missed it, would be happy to learn that such a thing exists but I'm pretty sure it doesn't.
You would have to listen to the stock fans for yourself. I found them a bit rumbly but my wife said I was imagining things. If you’re ok with the stock fans, by all means just add to them.
The two main measures of memory speed are the transfer rate, 3200 or 3600 MT/s for instance, and the various delays before the memory can respond, which are the latencies listed in clock ticks.
The effects of memory speeds and latencies are very strongly program dependent. Most game engines seem to not be very sensitive. I wouldn’t pay a lot for lower latency 3200 MT/s memory; going up a notch to 3600 might be worth a few bucks. Generally, I wouldn’t worry about it.
The Prism is ok, but you’ll get lower noise and temps with an aftermarket cooler. The Dark Rock might be a little overkill but will do a great job. If you want something in between, the Scythe Mugen 5 or Thermalright Macho are a couple of the usual suspects.
None of AMD’s stock coolers overhang ram. I don’t see a problem.
Note however that there are a few cases, like the Define R6, which will take slightly oversized eATX but not out to the full max EATX size. Pcpartpicker doesn't seem to have the precise dimensional limits. So if there's a case you really like, I'd check the manufacturer's specs against the size of the godlike mobo in case it would fit.
The U14S is keeping temps under control? Very nice, maybe feeling a twinge of envy here.
The NF-F12 is probably a better static pressure fan by a small margin. The A12x25 is an outstanding all-purpose fan that does almost everything well, but it's not going to beat a specifically optimized fan for radiator work. It probably depends in part on the radiator's flow impedance. If it's a fairly open rad, the A12x25 might actually do better. Fortunately, as long as you have good-enough flow, you're OK.
Right. I figured it was less hassle, and possibly cheaper, than adding in a PCIe SATA controller to get the extra ports. The Ultimate also has 10Gbe, although that's probably not needed the way I read OP's requirements.
That's a 2 output card, ask is for 4 monitors.
Then you'll have to go to one of the higher end Nvidia cards and break the budget. How about the RX 570? there are tons of them in service, and they'll typically have at least 4 video outputs.
The cheapest nvidia card I can find with 4 ports is a 1060 3GB (the EVGA SC gaming) at $155.
If your company wants to pay another $30-50 per station just for a name, I guess it's up to them. There's no evidence that says a 1060 3GB will last any better than an RX 570, or a Firepro 2460 for that matter. (The 2460, being an older card, might possibly have some nagging RoHS issues, but an RX 570 ought to be fine.)
And if you're saying no AMD parts at all, someone needs a big slap upside the head. Companies fail the death of a thousand cuts from idiocy of that sort.
Added: I've never seen that sort of failure rate for GPU's either. It makes me think that there might be something environmental going on that is inducing spikes on the display cables. If that's the case, you'll have issues no matter what video card you put in there, until you fix the underlying problem.
If you aren't interested in streaming, a 3600 will likely get you an increment in gaming performance. and the onboard wired ethernet is more than sufficient, unless you're looking for 10Gbe to a local NAS or something.
It's an opaque sided case so who cares about the cabling, as long as you get them away from the fan.
Cases with a single sheet sides-and-top were reasonably common many years back. You have a relic there.
Yes, that's what you want. SATA III data cables.
You might give monoprice.com a look before you order through amazon.
8 SATA ports plus m.2. I didn't include storage as I expect you know what you want there. 8 cores seems like a good idea, probably could go with a 2700 but the 2700X is only a little more. I'm not sure you will need 32 GB memory, might depend on what sort of software you're running.
The only "trick" is that you don't need much video. In fact if the CPU requirements are much less than I am guessing, you could go with a 3400G and drop the video card entirely.
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140mm beQuiet Silent Wings 3 would probably fill the bill, although they are expensive. You don't need a whole lot of extra airflow just for another SSD/HDD.
You shouldn't need hurricane fans particularly with the larger radiator. Stick with static pressure optimized fans, and I would include the A12x25 in that although they aren't strictly static pressure optimized.
The mods here get a big chunk of the credit, they aren't shy about shutting down someone who just wants to argue. There are plenty of other places to do that.
Oh, ok. I think those are jumper pins and yeah can be ignored.
On top of what Gilroar said, those number are peak sequential transfer rates which are not often seen in real life usage, and transfer rates have reached a point where they aren't as large a part of the overall operation time as they used to be.
SATA uses a 15-pin power connector and a 7-pin data connector. I'm not sure what the 4 pin would be for. What is the exact model number for that hard drive?
SATA power usually comes with the PSU and SATA data with the motherboard.
Crucial MX500 or WD Blue 2.5" SATA SSD's are both a bit over £100 for 1 TB and are excellent all-arounder's. But really almost any 2.5" SATA SSD will do the job.
The only semi-useful information in that conversation is the heat chart, and it's inapplicable to this conversation because it's an OC'ed 3900X running with no airflow at max load for an hour. Completely different load, and IMO unrealistic conditions.
OP can feel free to buy a different motherboard, but I'm not going to tell people that the MSI boards are terrible when they aren't.
and the CPU is a Ryzen, what?
Both cars are $3500 and they both theoretically do the same thing. Is the VW beetle good enough?
Both cars are $3500 and they both theoretically do the same thing. Is the VW beetle good enough?
Define the usage. Are we commuting from the suburbs to the city? Then yes, duh, the Beetle is good enough, and the Lamborghini is a waste of ability and money.
One of us isn't getting it, and I don't think it's me. If you have a power delivery system, let's call it MSIVRM just for kicks; and a power drain, let's call it a CPU; and the delivery system can keep up with the CPU demands -- what's the problem? and now we have a second power delivery system, let's call it ASUSVRM, and it's feeding the same power drain (CPU), and ASUSVRM can keep up with that CPU ... explain to me how it's better. Is ASUSVRM cheaper? ok, that's better. Can ASUSVRM feed some other power drain better? who cares, that's irrelevant to the question.
You throw around adjectives like "terrible" and I think you are indulging in hyperbole. (I shall try to restrain myself from accusing you of fanboi-ism.) "Terrible in comparison with" is completely irrelevant. The only relevant measure that a user of drain Y should care about is: can board X supply power to drain Y. And I defy you to show me an X570 that can't supply a Ryzen 3600 CPU adequately.
Answer a): No, the Nh-D15 and Thermalright Silver Arrow are both (just) under $100. They will more-or-less adequately cool every desktop or HEDT cpu out there at the moment.
Answer b): Yes, I have this 280w Threadripper 3 to cool, and I need every boost MHz I can get, and large radiator pumped liquid is the only way to get there, and they are all priced over $100.
PCpartpicker doesn't list any 4K monitors that are "a little higher" than 60 Hz refresh; the next stop appears to be 120 Hz, but that's not the cheapest over-60-Hz 4K monitor. That title goes to the 144Hz Acer XV273k Pbmiipphzx listed at a cool $750.
I think your budget suggests that you stick to a 60 Hz monitor.