Great, thank you
Yeah ok I'll do that. I liked seeing the 2 different totals so maybe I'll put those in the description instead.
I would guess that is a better power supply, and not just the power rating. $50 on sale sounds great. That sale must not have been around when we bought them. We checked Amazon, Newegg, Microcenter, and Slickdeals. The Seasonics we considered early in planning, but missed the sale for, were 620 watt and $45 after $20 rebate. We should have gotten those.
Ok I guess you have more going on than I thought. Is mobo-CPU compatibility tied to the chipset value? I can see that being an issue since some B450 boards will be compatible out of the box and some won't. Maybe it should just be tied to model. That would require you to enter compatibility for a new model mobo rather than having it derive from the chipset so I guess it would be a little more entry. But what you could do would be to have compatibility tied to the mobo model, require entering compatibility for a new model mobo, but have it default to whatever the chipset dictates. That way most of the time you aren't doing any more entry, but you have the option to adjust the compatibility on a per-model basis if needed. And the chipset still plays a role.
Now there will also be some other B450 boards that are compatible out of the box when previously they weren't, just because the manufacturers have updated BIOS on them and they've cycled through the supply chain. I've heard of people getting those from Amazon and Newegg. But I think in those cases, the warning is appropriate. They either need to rely on the store for compatibility info, or it's luck of the draw.
I guess I really have databases on the brain. Good thing it's Friday.
All of the MAX versions of MSI's B450 boards should be compatible with Ryzen 3000 out of the box I believe. It shouldn't take an adjustment to the compatibility engine. They are different models.
Hey what do you know, I found a small bag in the motherboard box with a standoff and a screw. I don't know where I got the other screw from. Maybe it was in with the drive. Anyway, better now. Thanks, nice catch!
Nice :) I was using an i7-920 myself at work until last year. But now that machine is actually still in use for some other purpose.
That EVGA 500 watt looks just like the one my friend used for his two new budget gaming machines. One of the two actually died in the week after building it :/
You'll probably be getting a lot of nagging messages once Windows 7 loses support. My parents had a Windows XP computer until a year or two ago :o
I'll have to take another look at that. I know I didn't remove anything. Looking up the mobo online, it looks like the bottom M.2 slot has several short standoffs pre-mounted but not the top M.2 slot. Maybe I'm supposed to grab one of those to use. In the manual, it looks like it shows a standoff already there but it's a very generic picture. Nice catch, I probably need to rework that.
It looks like a Transformer
Ha! Nicely done on the pics!
Nice, a black Hyper 212
and yet, VR gaming with a 2070 :) He can always try it later, or upgrade CPU if he thinks it is an issue.
That case looks awesome in the front.
I had read that Gigabyte boards hadn't been as good for B450 but are now very good for X570. I haven't had one since Core 2 Duo days.
Ah ok, I was wondering what that Silverstone logo was doing there.
I like that, ROGgy :) Those parts do look badass together
Thanks. Hah, yeah, I had a lot to say there. This one had more planning I guess. I never had to deal with the CPU and motherboard BIOS compatibility issue like this before.
Well done! Report back after you've done a little video editing with that. I bet it will nice. Good photo of the memory spot with the tight clearances there. That video card is indeed really close, wow. Is the chipset fan noticeable at all?
Wait, where is the power supply (in the photo)? It actually fits on the other side of the motherboard tray?
Yeah that video card is a beast. Good info on the motherboard. I still haven't seen any B450 boards for sale that are guaranteed have updated BIOS :/
I will also be upgrading from a Phenom II, excited.
Awesome. I am about to build soon with CPU and motherboard same as yours, same amount of memory. Please report back after you've tried some video editing on the 3700X. That should be nice I think, and 4K woooo. Great to hear the chipset fan is not noticeable. I've only seen one review say it was noisy on this motherboard. Well done on our color scheme and everything, really nice clean look, and great case and window to show it off. Plus your photo with all your boxed parts is pretty epic.
Great, I was really curious about this too.
Yes, could be. If I remember, I will report back when I notice this is in stock in the US. If someone notices before me, please update.
We have had no problems at all with that power supply. No problems with the computer at all. And it is no problem answering :)
Not in the US yet it seems, and Newegg support knows nothing. Please tell me when it is :)
"Microsoft has monetized so many features in Windows 10 that they practically give it away"
What do you mean by this? From what I've seen, it still costs $100+ for OEM Win10 Home at Newegg for example. Maybe you mean the free upgrade from 7? Does your previous Windows 7 computer no longer exist?
Cool case, I'll have to keep that in mind. Do you have a picture with something for scale next to it, or maybe holding it in your hand? I like your choice of components too. I'm also curious for what you'll use it for.
Hey thanks for the question, and for reading. I did a bunch of looking around and decided to try a Noctua actually. I bought a Noctua NF-A9 PWM 92mm for $16 on Newegg. It is definitely quieter and less annoying, though you can still hear it with the computer right in front of you. Parents hadn't complained at all, but they noticed the improvement, so that's a win. CPU temp did increase a little (roughly +3 C on CPU and +4 C on mobo to 50.0 C and 35.0 C idle in BIOS respectively). I regret not removing the TIM from the heatsink and applying my own thin layer since I've usually done that and thought it gave good results, though I never tested both ways due to the hassle. Maybe I should check temp with some software within Windows as a second check. But the computer is doing great. I'll update my description with this.
Great choices, I like it!
Yep. If you have time, you can wait for some deals. Set some deal alerts with Slickdeals.net. Be flexible on some of the parts/brands.
This computer will be a beast for you for a long time. Great choices and balance.
Wow that's amazing, haha. I looked at all the photos as well.
That's awesome. That's pretty darn low decibels from a phone recording (in a non-special-quiet environment I'm guessing). Nice! I might try a be quiet! fan to replace the 90mm case fan in my parents' machine then.
I believe I had seen the different colors on the same listing at Newegg actually, so it would have been the same CAS. That sounds good on the backup. Thanks for the info on the case.
The video card and fans really fill that thing up! Looks awesome. By the way, that CPU heatsink in your other computer looks like a beast.
I wonder why they don't put the AMD coolers on here as choices.
Do you like the be quiet! fans?
Nice! I got the same memory :) Yeah I wasn't sure either but I figured 2933 meant 3000 since that's what the XMP profile gave.
Yeah that is an awesome case. And that looks like an awesome cooler too. Nice that it barely fits under the mesh, ha. Did the black color version of that memory cost more? It looked like it cost more when I bought my red Corsair Vengeance LPX. I went with that too for low profile.
Hopefully since it's to be a Plex server then backups aren't crucial, because RAID 0 on big drives is asking for trouble.
Oh, the case doesn't have a price here. How much did it cost?
I really like the build, nice one.
Awesome build in the little box case. And nice job trying the slightly risky things that worked out. Nice little fan in the corner there too. I've noticed Mini ITX costs more over Micro ATX, but this one isn't too bad at least for the motherboard. Can you tell us about the case? How much did it cost and where did you find it?
I've learned about Gigabyte Brix, Zotac ZBOX, Intel NUC... I'd like one to come out with one that has an AMD Ryzen 2400G APU - so good graphics and no video card needed. Zotac has announced and shown one (MA551) at expos, but I don't believe it's actually on sale yet.
Thanks. You could be right. I did plan 8GB originally (and the 2200G CPU) but my buddy suggested 16GB due to our longer refresh cycles with our parents. I just looked it up and they did have their last computer for almost 11 years! (Sept 29, 2007) I wonder how much memory will be normal in 11 years. And for the SSD, it's actually hard to beat the price of that WD Blue 3D NAND. Plus an SSD should last longer than a hard disk, which possibly saves me some time. An extra $150 doesn't really mean as much if the computer is going to last that long.
Hey, you got me there :) You have a keen eye. Actually that Ultra M.2 labeled port is indeed the NVMe. The SATA M.2 port is on the very bottom right of the board. That was hidden to me at first. I had just made a previous build with an NVMe drive that went into an ASUS board that had an M.2 port that accepted both NVMe and SATA drives. However unbeknownst to me, this board had a separate port for each. I took the photo before I realized it and switched it. I have heard of people breaking their devices by jamming them into the wrong one, but these both had the same key. I do definitely check the port key before inserting something like this in any case.
Thanks. Yes they were definitely due!
Yes, I definitely would recommend it. It competes nicely with the previous sort of "standard" which was the Samsung 850 EVO. Unless you are ok to pay more for an NVMe drive, which would be significantly faster to the point it could be noticeable, IMO there isn't really much reason to pay more than this WD Blue 3D NAND (make sure it's the 3D NAND one and not the older version which was slower). It's very fast. You can search for "Anandtech wd blue 3d" for Anandtech's review when it was released with good comparisons and commentary.
Haha, yeah. I don't know. I guess I had already been emailing with a couple buddies about it who I talk computer stuff with normally and weighed the parts choices so when it came time to write something here, I easily just wrote a bunch without thinking. I wish I could write out this much as easily for anything I need to write about.
Maybe. But they are paying for the computer, lol.
Which parts are the loudest? I'm guessing the video card and all the fast case fans. But I'm curious about the CPU heatsink/fan. Can you tell with all of that stuff running which are loudest?
Despite the frustration you had with the case, I have to say I really like the looks of that case.
Yes, it's great for gaming. It's still a good choice too if you get a good price. I got mine for $210 on newegg after $40 PNY rebate. However, there are a lot more choices now with AMD's cards not overpriced due to cryptocoin mining anymore. Watch for deals on slickdeals.net maybe.
Cool thanks, good to know about the Cougar fans. I had heard of them but that was it. I am definitely big on the quiet fans as I went out of my way to get some Nexus and Fractal Design fans last time, and I have a bunch of good Papst and Panaflow in reserve, hehe.
Yeah 8 scares me. I have used it just a little while helping out friends with their computers and it seems like it would really get in my way of doing things. I hope there is an improvement before I build my next one.
Excellent, a Kaveri HTPC. Yes it is beefier than needed for HTPC, but probably what I would do. I have that memory, it's what I put in my computer when I built it in 2011, works great. I got it to fit under my big cooler. However, now I think there are probably faster memories out there for very similar price, and the memory speed really matters for the APUs. Just something to think about. Nice cooler.
It looks like A1, B1 is correct to me from the manual. Some mobos like my ASRock actually recommend the other two.
Nice salt crystal. Haha, just kidding. Crazy nice build and nice parts! It looks great with the window for sure. Maybe more obsessive than I would do but hey why not for your first build and if you want to put in the money. How do you like the Cougar fans? That's cool, no HDD? Staying away from Windows 8?