I have that MB and it is a awesome MB. The antenna(s) do come with it (2 actually) so no need to buy your own unless you want something to extend the antenna(s) to somewhere else in the room (like above desk etc) but I have my itx case on the floor with the 2 antennas plugged in and no WiFi issues (hub/router is 2 rooms away).
The MSI Radeon VII card just would not fit completely inside the PCI Slot on the MB. So just took a dremel and shaved, just slightly, some extra plastic that was on the power button/usb/reset board on the case and it then fit all the way down into the PCI slot. All in all It is a great case with a great card that fits in it :)
1440/2k monitor is worth it. The one thing when one upgrades/builds a new system is the monitor stays the same mostly so even though I know your said your budget is $200 is you save up a little more and get a 2k monitor for that monitor should last you for quite a while.
Of course looking at your GPU it is a 2060 so on a 1080 you will be able to run just about games at max settings. With a 2k monitor you might have to dial down a few things graphics wise to keep a decent FPS etc (of course depends on what games you play). For a 2k monitor running at max settings then you would need, imho, a beefier GPU.
I was just at Costco yesterday an looked at their monitors..was a tad disappointed what they sold..had a 4k Widescreen but was only 60hz (great price though) and a curved ultra wide that was bigger than the 4k but was only 1080p at 60hz..actually all the monitors they had was 60hz..if the 2k or 4k was at least 100hz I would be happy to buy that but alas all were just, in a nutshell, simple monitors for those who really do not know how to buy monitors imho.
A good 1440 100hz monitor IF caught on sale you could get for about 450 (from what I have seen) but normally run about 499 on up.
A Movie with Alec Baldwin based on novels back in the 30's/40's. Movie was so-so.
I must say I do lean toward ASUS for I must have been lucky..never had a hardware issue with any of their MB, updating bios was easy, ease of use of bios was simple.
I am now using a MSI MB and took me a tad bit to get use to their bios but like ASUS simple to use, update etc.
Every company will have some 'lemons' of MB that get out into the market..that happens with ANY product plus everyone will have their 'Fav/go to' brand.
I did read that ASUS now has their software (I mean bloatware) on the MB itself so no more CD's etc (I do not know if other companies do or not) but I kinda frown on that imho . And I am not a fan of RGB/Flashy MB/Collers, etc so call me old fashion but I want a system, not a disco ball LOL
Both are really great CPU's..but for JUST gaming then the i5 9600k I would leanon BUT odds are it might be more $$ than the R5 2600k plus the i5 9600k does not come with a cooler which you will need to buy also which will cost more $ (depends on what cooler you want to put on it) where the R5 2600k comes with one.
1060/1070 should be fine for 1080p games BUT if you want fast FPS or do 1440 (2k) resolution then you will need a better GPU which then a 2060 should really set you up for a while. If you want to do 4k balls to walls stuff then a 2080/2080ti/Radeon VII is what you would need. Also with AMD Navi around the corner one of those you can use for gaming and be set for a while also :)
When I build systems for people, I always tellthem do not think on what you want the system to do now..think of what you WANT it to do in lets say, 5 years. If you are doing 1080p now lets say you want to go to 2k monitor..well your GPU MIGHT not be able to make great/awesome use of the 2k monitor.
It is a balance on getting a GPU/GPU that will together instead of trying to choke each other out LOL.
Good question that is in line with SOOO many other questions about the Navi cards. Best thing to do is wait for the release and some websites to test them out be it numbers or acutal game use..THEN we can all hem and haw over Navi/Nvidia/whatever card(s).
These days when something is introduced/mentioned the speculation of what people think the new item could/should do goes rampant/wild (I picture people foaming at the mouth LOL).
I know some people like blower cards, some do not so who knows (other than The Shadow).
Going to need a lot more information..
What is your budget.. 500? 700? 1000? 1200? etc
What type of games.. FPS? MMO's? etc
Do you want Atx, mAtx, or itx size MB/case?
What CPU AMD or Intel? GPU?
Also are you in the USA or another country? Some pieces of Pc parts is harder to get in other countries.
Once you have a rough idea on those then people can help/suggest equipment and narrow down what you might need.
When I did buy my M9a.. I was having issues with registering the CPU warranty and emailed their Tech and was surprised to get a quick reply (this was last March) and they were able to fix the online warranty reg very quickly.
I have read sometimes they reply quick, sometimes slow/not at all. I guess I was lucky.
Bought my M9a months ago and fits like a glove on my R5 2600/Msi B450i MB plus keeps it nice and cool.
Maybe the company has hit its high point and taking time coming up with something new/improved??
When I was building mine it was a choice of 2080 or Radeon VII and I went with the Radeon VII which I do not regret buying (really is a awesome card). I admit I was really never on the RTX train. Either card are awesome really imho :)
Well I have been doing Star Citizen now and then (yeah yeah I know all about Star Citizen but it such a beautiful Alpha game), just got into Elder Scrolls Online, and now the resurrection of City of Heroes so all 3 keeps me busy :)
I really do not do FPS type games (did those in the late 80's/early 90's).
Played the tabletop RPG decades ago. Super pumped about finally seeing a release date. It has taken a while BUT I would rather have a company take its time and do a game right and this game looks like CD Projek did just that :) (now wish they could do Shadowrun).
This is one of the few games on my list that I had in mind when I built my new system few months ago :)
Well the R5 2600/x and R7 2700/x have been going down in price as the release of the 3k series is released. It is very close and if you can just wait till next month.. get a 3k chip.
I built mine back in Feb/March and knowing the 3k chips were coming I still got a R5 2600 and I do not regret my purchase (I am not a wait for new tech around the corner kinda guy etc) PLUS if luck goes my way if I want to slap in a new 3k chip (maybe Xmas or next year..depends on the #'s/reviews) in my MB then poof in it goes.
Either way, imho, it is a win/win for us consumers :)
This guy, Buildzoid, I think does a great job on going over motherboards.
Here is a link for b450 MB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWAwOH-egFs&t=571s
but I am sure he does others also (b350, X series etc) which I do not have a link to those.
Hope this helps. :)
GPU by far will add wattage. I doubt, lets say, 2 ssd's will willing put a damper on the power.
How mans fans on the case could add a few but again not a big dent in the PSU (now water cooling I do not know how much watts that could add) and there are some really great CPU coolers out there that does not put a big dent in the PSU..of course when one adds everything up you could be looking at maybe, guessing..ballpark'ish.. between 300-400 watts.
Of course what GPU makes the difference and I have read one should give maybe 150-200w extra for OCing (I know you said you will not BUT OC'ing is really easy), GPU grabbing more power now and then when needs to and a few more etc etc's.
But it sounds like a 650w will do you very good for quite a while. :)
I suggest go with a 650w-750w decent brand PSU (are you going to OC?). Nice to have a slightly beefier PSU for future expansion(s).
I always think build what you MIGHT want in the future..not build a system for now.
I already bought a MSI Radeon VII and so really not that hyped up on Navi..BUT interesting to see what the can really match to Nvidia 2060/2070 cards.
I need to upgrade my old i5 2500k PC with a updated GPU (it is still using 2 Asus GTX560 Ti that are Sli) for my GF son so we can both game at the same time.
I do mine real simple..
1st: figure if I want Intel or Amd and what is my use (gaming, just browse the net, server etc etc)
2nd: figure what size of case I want the MB to fit..Full case, mAtx or itx case and I am going to watercool or air cool whats on the MB so I I have room in the case. I spent a few months re-re-re-re designing/researching the system I wanted to build. (I went with itx case so that leaves me with itx MB choices).
3rd: am I OC it (always yes for me). I looked at many websites of the companies that make itx MB's and also read/watched/forums as much reviews as I could find about the VRM (if the MB can handle OC/heat with the CPU I wanted) on them. (I went with MSI B450i Gaming Plus AC MB with a R5 2600).
If you buy cheap then you get cheap imho. It is hard to balance what you $$ and what you get in a MB (bells, whistles etc etc). I have used ASUS for ages for my builds and never had an issue but when I built my new system a few months ago I think ASUS has priced their MB a little to high so decided to try MSI and I have not been disappointed with the MSI MB I bought.
I have to add the good ole days (late 80's-90's) of building systems was simple/easy but these days there is SOO much to think when designing/building a system.
And Happy PC building with whatever you decide to build :)
I suggest the Cryorig M9a (I have one on my R5 2600). Does a great job at 4Ghz (alas can not get it super stable at 4.1Ghz for 4.0Ghz is fine) and I have them on a MSI B450i Gaming Plus AC MB.
I was debating the same thing months ago and zeroed in on the R5 2600 (got it for $150.00), knowing that the 3k chips were coming anyway. Do I plan on getting the new chips..yes I am BUT I am going to wait a while and see the reviews/test etc etc which will take a while so maybe late next year or hell by then AMD might have better chips to come out.
The X version is just a plug in play type of CPU (yes one can fiddle with it/OC it) but the 2600 is cheaper and with a decent cooler on (put a M9a on mine) for OC I am able to get mine to 4Ghz on all cores with no issues and is excellent with game (I cam from a i5 2500k system I built 8 years ago).
All in all you will not be disappointed with a R5 2600 (and even the X if you go that way).
WOW classic is, imho, going to be very popular, even though spent enough years playing WoW and really burned out..Also City of Heroes/City of Villians has made a come back and has a solid base (I do enjoy that game so much) and the game has a good solid base to it. It is interesting to see older games being popular/better than the new BS games that are release today that seem to be rushed out/half done it seems.
I built a new system a few months ago for Star Citizen (yes yes still in Alpha etc etc know all about it) and for Cyberpunk 2077 when/if it gets released this year. I only limit myself to a few games so I can enjoy instead of playing SO many games and keep bouncing back and forth between too many games.
Alas I am not a FPS player (did all that back in the '90s).
I second the MSI B450i Gaming Plus AC. For my new build got it 2 months ago and Easy Bios, from my research the VRMS are the best for ixt MB (here is my build) and it runs very smooth and sweet.
I knew it came with only 2 fan connectors (CPU and one more) but some fans do have it so you can daisy chain them so they connect to just 1 (I have my 2 80mm chained to the M9a cooler then pluged into the CPU connector) and the fan that came with case in the other one. There are many ways to get around the 2 fan connectors bit so it all depends on what fans, accessory etc you want to do and how much $$ you want to spend).
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I have the MSI B450i Gaming Plus AC and when I installed it in the case, attached the antennas etc then installed Win 10 the OS detected the WiFi no problems and when installed and set up it asked for the WiFi password, I entered it and Poof Wifi internet. If you want you CAN dl updated drivers for your MB (highly suggested) after you install Win 10.
I bought that exact PSU for my build and it was worth the $$ spent. It even powers my MSI Radeon VII with no problems.
Also, if you want any input, just dump both SSD and get just 1 m.2 500gb for just a few $ more imho. WD Blue 500 is a great deal for a m.2.
I will admit I have used Intel since my first PC I built in the mid 90's and all I did was game so for just pure gaming Intel is great. My last Intel chip was a i5 2500k (built in '11 and it still rocks to this day).
I just built a new system and decided to go with AMD (R5 2600) since the Intel 9th gen chips cost too much imho and so far I am very impressed with the R5 2600. It is nice I can game/stream very smoothly on the R5 2600. Of course I have not tried doing that on any Intel chips lately.
All in all for just gaming they are both REALLY great but Intel is king there yet they cost more. But for autocad/number crunching then AMD is what one would lean to and they cost less.
I am not a bling person myself (my latest built is just about blingless).
Sounds like you do a bit of streaming to possible a R5 2600(x) or R7 2700(x) would be a great GPU for what you need. I got my 2600 for $165.00 last month (local Best Buy did a online price match) and you might find either CPU at a good low price if you look around online.
As to the GPU...you do not want to skimp on that since that is what really give you the FPS plus for streaming at a decent resolution you need both a good CPU/GPU combo.. I would say a 2070 would be around what you want..possibly a 2080 (if on sale decent price). I have a MSI Radeon VII which is awesome but it is not every ones cup of tea ($700.00) but for the same price most 2080 start at that price.
PSU wise get at least a really good 650w (in case you want to get a 2080) but if you go 2070 you can go a little less (but imho really do not go lower than 650w) plus it depends on what else you adding to the system that will need power (SSD/HDs, Fans etc etc).
Also the motherboard you get is going to dictate on what CPU you get (AMD/Intel) and do you want atx/matx/itx size.
Yes it will.. Small GPU on big MB/Cases will work. Now Big GPU on small MB= depends on MB/Case (case in point I have a Radeon VII on a MSI B450i Gaming plus ac inside a itx Thermaltake v1 case).
Also temp wise/noise will vary with what case you get etc.
Really, imho, is the rate the 2600(x) and 2700(x) coming down in prices I do not see a huge leap compared to the 3k doppelganger versions which is why I decided to get the R5 2600 ($160.00) and a MSI B450i Gaming Plus AC MB last month knowing 3k was around the corner. I am happy and if I want to later this year I can get a 3k CPU if I want something faster (love my R5 2600 though).
So really it is a win/win. 2700k coming down in price/great CPU and the 3k CPUs look great also.
I bought a M9a for my R5 2600 to be put on a MSI B450i Gaming Plus AC and using the back plate that came with the MB it was still slight loose because it is designed to do that. Once I screwed the cooler itself on the bracket the whole CPU/cooler/MB tightened. Of course it might be work the same for a Intel MB/CPU.
Once you have the CPU and mounting bracket on (bracket will be slightly loose) you put the cooler on and as you screw the cooler it tightens the connection of the cooler/CPU and the tension evens out across the area of the CPU. It is designed that way so the tension is even across the MB/CPU to make sure the CPU area is not uneven/warped as the CPU/cooler makes contact/meshed together.
Hopes this helps.
I have stuck with Corsair for quite a while and never had any issues. BUT my build last month I decided to go with Seasonic FOCUS Plus 650 with my Radeon VII and am quite happy with it (head many good reviews about Seasonic).
If you stick with at least the top brand names you really cannot go wrong.. just make sure it fits in case and what type of PSU you want (modular etc etc/RGB lighting yada yada/Bells/whistles).
When I started the idea of my build last Nov I was planning on getting a 2070 but then after re-building/narrow my parts list down I decided to go either the 2080 or the Radeon VII (same price). In my honest opinion I am not that impressed with RTX/DLSS so without those in the equation I decided to go with the Radeon VII and It was a great choice and had no issue. My temps are decent and the fans do not bother me at all..the so called jet sound that people say I have had not that issue but then I have not pushed my card balls to the walls yet (I do mostly MMOs/space games not a FPS fiend (been there done that)).
All in all if you get a 2070/2080 or Radeon VII you will not be disappointed. Also SLI is not worth the money..better to have 1 awesome card than 2 sub cards SLI'ed.
Coming from a SLI set up..it is much better to spend the $$ and get just 1 GPU card than 2. SLI just never really made it super big time and I am surprised the 2080/ti can be SLI (or bridged) imho.
Using Kombusterx64: for about 25 mins my CPU was steady at 48.3c and load was 20% with +/- 2%. Idle using HWinfo64 it has my idle temp at 28.8.
GPU wise it was steady at 101c with 284 FPS in window mode (1920x1017). Using my 1080p monitor till I get the money saved for a 1440p ultrawide monitor.
The Cryorig M9a does come with the AM4 bracket. The box should say AM4 either on the upper right corner (sticker) on in print on the bottom front of the box. Bought one for my MSI B450i Gaming Plus AC to fit in a TT V1 case. It is a really awesome cooler and I am happy with it.
Took a bit to realize that when used it might be slightly loose in the MB untill you actually put the cooler on the CPU and actually tighten it down, which then the bracket will firm up. The reason, it seems, is to make sure that there is equal force when the coller is put on the CPU and there is no uneven force around the cpu/cooler connection.
Will post them when I get it. On Pre-Order (should be in my hands by the 3rd week of this month). Getting the MSI R7.
Really the difference of 3200 and 3000 (lets say both same cas) you really will not notice the difference. Go with the 3000 and be happy.
I went through the same back and forth 'less cas slow speed' or 'slow cas fast speed' even 'low cas fast speed' and $$ wise I decided to go DDR4 2x8gb cas15-3000. Saved $$ to put into my GPU.
Ordering my GPU this friday (crossing fingers) BUT I am going with a Radeon VII GPU (so I need to change that in my build). mm wise the Radeon VII just barely fits length wise so I know a 2070 can. Issue with some 2070 is that with the cooling fans some protrude out to much and might not let you put the side case on. I know the EVGA cards (2070/2080 etc) are nice and smooth (fans not jutting out) and will fit the V1 with no issue.
Going with a R5 2600 myself and also planning to OC. From what I have gathered over the months is the stock cooler for the 2600 is not that great for OC so I went with the Cryorig M9a (I am going itx).
There are others (not sure what size of case/MB you going) but the M9a does not interfere with the RAM area so you can use whatever ram height you want without the fan/cooler getting in the way.
I second those 2 choices. I was 50/50 and went with the WD Blue 500gb m.2. You really cant go wrong with either of those plus great prices also.
I am flip-flopping between the 2080 and Raedon VII. I am neither a Nvidia/AMD fan boy and this is just my opinion (like many others).
I know the 2080 has RTX/DLSS for the new tech in the video cards BUT there it is, new tech in video cards. Now IF companies (many) make games (many) that involves RTX/DLSS the in a few year a GPU with that will be worth wile to get but right now it is in the baby phase and now that Nvidia makes their G-Sync work with quite a few (not all) Freesync mointors is nice.
On to Radeon VII. It does not have RTX/DLSS but it has SO munch GPU Ram. Also from what videos I have seen it has, imho, more texture than the 2080 plus if one does serious editing of videos etc then that Ram comes in super handy. So if companies do not hop on the RTX/DLSS band wagon then you have a card that will last for quite a while.
Gaming wise they even out aka some games run better on Nvidia and some better on AMD. Now I wish the Radeon VII was maybe $650 ish then that would be a win for us (also just slightly less Ram cause that is serious overkill) but at $699.99 for either it is a tough call and I have a few weeks till I plunk down some $$ on one of the 2 mentioned which will give me more time to scour the forums for more info between the battle of the 2.
As for me I am leaning just slightly toward Radeon VIII cause I believe RTX/DLSS is in its early stages and the possibility of having tech that sits there and does nothing (but only for a few games) kinda irks me YET if it does take off then in a few years I will consider buying a GPU that has that tech in it.
MSI B450m Mortar. That is what I wanted but was no where to find so decided to go with MSI B450i Gaming Plus AC. So good luck finding one.
Also the Titanium version or the Gaming Plus (just dose not have the Wifi/Bt that the itx has) is a solid choice.
Thanks. Been looking at SOOOooo many vids of RTX cards/resolution I think my mind is going to explode.
I think I am thinking to far with the 2080 and I should go with the 2070 since it will do 1440p and a little bit of 4k (of course settings not at max) which the 2070 should last for a while and by then will see if I want to go to 4k which at that point odds are the 2080 will be slightly old lol.
Now do I go with MSI Ventus or EVGA Black..Hmmm. More researching :)
Thank you very much for your info.. it FITS. I was surprised that it did tighten up, so I guess i learned something new. I fired up the mobo and just got the light for VGA missing so all is A OK.
Only thing missing is my 2080 (just at the tip of my grasp $$ wise) and my new monitor. I did take pics as I built it so will put them up when I get my GPU at least (can use my old 1080p monitor till i get the funds for the new one).
Wow that is one of the Vids I re-watched so much last night and that is the part that was inside with the cooler.
I must say I have never had a system that was loose and THEN it tightens up when you actually put the cooler itself on. So when I get home I will actually do the whole thing, CPU, bracket, paste, cooler then tighten the 2 screws up and see what happens.
I really want this to work with this little cooler.
Thank you very kindly.
You can always just buy a splitter for the fans. I bought a few 80mm fans for my itx (1 CPU/1 chassis) build and they can be daisy chained so I only need to use just 1 connection for all my fans.
How about the MSI B450i Gaming Plus AC? It is a itx but falls under your budget.
Mainly the 2600x (like a automatic car) is, imho, a plug and let it do its thing/go type CPU while the 2600 (A stick shifting car) gives the user some space to push/fiddle with it and with a decent cooler can overclock it to its full potential.
Now both are really excellent CPUs and you really will be a winner no matter which one you choose plus the Tomahawk MB is a good MB.
I am building my 4th system which will be for gaming (the first 2 was built pre internet days lol) and going with the 2600 plus getting a CYRORIG M9a ($25 ish) cooler so ditching the cooler that comes with it (I am going itx) on a MSI b450i Gaming Plus ac MB so I can have the fun of pushing/more control over my CPU.
So Win/Win for you and happy building.
I second that PSU. Just ordered the SSR-650fx friday (Should get it tomorrow) for my system build (R5 2600 with MSI 2070). More than enough power and can fit a itx case (left room if I want to go to 2080 or ti) so yeah if it can do/fit (itx) my build it will do yours :) .